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    Posted: July 23 2008 at 12:58pm
Ok, I want to hear opinions about Outboard Sangers.  I have a friend who is selling their outboard Sanger and have made me a good offer to purchase it from them.  It has a 200hp Mercury Black Max Fuel Injected, and the boat is in incredable condition.  Always kept in a garage and covered.  Motor has around 400 hours on it.  We do not have a lot of these boats in Florida and so I am not sure of what it is worth.  The boat is a 91 and the motor is a 94.  I have never owned an outboard are there any type of maintenance issues that I need to be aware of with an outboard?  Just looking for your thoughts, I currently have a non-barefoot boat inboard and I do not like to barefoot with it because it does not make enough speed.  I really want a barefoot boat but was resigned to just keeping what I have for now until this deal came up.  My wife has decided to relent and allow me to get an outboard if I can convinence her that it will work as well as a family boat as an inboard.
 
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My only concern about the outboard is the prop at the back of the boat.   With the inboard you are very unlikely to come in contact with it. 

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Ran a o/b Brendella for years.  The great thing about those type of boats is no engine in the boat - lot more room for kids, dogs, snacks, etc.  Although I have an open bow now - I kind of miss the closed bow because you can sure cram a lot of stuff in there when you are hauling kids around.  Last - the wakes on an outboard are less intimdating for kids once they start skiing behind the boad.
 
Downside - trying to get the wife to drive an outboard with no power steering.  I struggled with this for 4 years after the Mercury Power steering quit.  Seastar now makes a unit that I installed 2 years ago on the Brendella.  Changed it to 1 hand steering!  My wife would finally drive.  The link is here.  Kind of pricey - about $3,000 installed - but worth every penny for me.
 
 
 
I made a bench seat that sat in the boat right behind the drivers seat in the Brendella.  Could get 3 kids on it - and 3 in the observers seat if you packed them in tight enough.  More than enough room.  An I know that the Sanger has more room in it than the Brendella, but not quite as high of a freeboard.  I always foung that the Flightcrafts were a little tight when compared to the other 2.
 
Tobe honest - I think that the Brendella made a better family boat than the open bow DLX I have now (that I have only spent 1 hour in).  The reason that I bought the DLX was mostly for the Fly High - because the Brendella porpoised too much with it on.  Stupid thing is I haven't used the Fly High all year because I have a loaner boat right now (V210) that I haven't put it on.  I have given the dealer until August 15th to get this transmission issue sorted out.  If not - I told him I don't want the boat back, and he can give me my check back.  If that is the case - I am going to bring the Brendella back from BC, and buy a used DXII that I can put a Fly High on for training.  Probably should have done that in the first place.
 
Now - the V210 is not a bad boat at all.  The one I have has the plate - but with the 315hpengine.  Because we are at altitude - it just doesn't have the speed for wakes.  Nice curl for tricking.  Nice boat though - with a lot of room in the interior.  They say that you can get one with the 6.2 and that would likely help a lot.  I am thinking that if you bought a used one (there are lots out there) you might be able to put that reman 377 Scorpion in it??  That wold be a pretty great family boat.
 
Off topic.  Buy the Sanger - you won't be unhappy. 
We never said it was easy - just that it looked cool.
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Just a couple of pics of the Brendella.   From the top you can see how much room there actually is
We never said it was easy - just that it looked cool.
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Paul,
I am the proud owner of a '97 Sanger outboard, so I have some experience with them.
 
Make sure the boat has hydraulic steering.  If it doesn't, I would highly consider adding it.  It makes a world of difference in driveability.
 
Also, make sure what prop is on the boat.  The ONLY prop to run in my opinion is a 19 pitch high five.  Anything else makes a far inferior wake.
 
As mentioned, the biggest plus to the outboard is interior room.  No motor box.  Another plus is they back up much more easily than an inboard.  Inboards only like to turn one direction in reverse.  Not the case with an outboard.  Also, an outboard has trim, allowing you to raise the motor, which can get you in some places an inboard cannot go.
 
The only downside to the outboard in my opinion, is it is not the current approved towboat.  If you train wakes behind the outboard, the wake is different than a DXII, although not by a ton.
 
Maintenance on an outboard is minimal at best.  Change the plugs every year or so, change the lower unit lube every fall at minimum, and be SURE to change the impeller every year or two.  That and the usual greasing of the grease fittings on the tilt and trim and steering.  There's really not much to it at all.


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Here are some photos of the boat.  What is the market like for one of these?  Since we do not see any of them in Florida it is hard to determine if the price is fair.  The owner is willing to hold it will I liqudate my current boat so I have to take that in to consideration with the negotiation but I do not want to pay to much for it either.
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Outboards are cool.. No problem except it will porpose more than an inboard and doesnt sound as cool... 2 strokes only have about 10 moving parts vs about 300 in a four stroke so the potential for failure is less... BUT they are less forgiving to improper maintenance..
The OB has more room inside.. HEAPS more room...  
 
The prop issue??? Well, in my experience people get prop strikes in all kinds of boats (maybe not so much in a jet boatWink) so just turn the sucker off when you have people in the water behind the boat.. Actually the cav plate makes for a nice step up to the platform so having the motor hanging off the rear has advantages...
 
I have no idea of the value but I do know they are SWEET barefoot boats...
 
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take that dash mirror off and you'll have a huge open dash area for stuff or sitting to video over the engine plus it helps to get weight up front to keep the bow down, add one of the big frame mounted mirror up top of the windshield....the gelcoat colors looks like bubble gum, and candy...there are hardly ever two Sangers that are the same.   
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heres my 90 DX inboard the dashes/windshields are identicle.
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It sounds like you have all of the pieces in order to pull the trigger.  Your wife said ok, the guy will hold it for you until you sell your current boat, and you know the previous owner.  Sounds like a done deal to me.  Like everyone else said, put the steering system on it (That's why I got rid of my outboard) and your wife won't be complaining.
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I would have to guess that boat to be in the $5000 on the low end to $10000 on the high end.  It does appear to be ion  very nice shape.  It does not appear to have hydraulic steering, only the dual ride guide type.
 
Is that a tandem trailer too?
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Thanks for all of the information.  It has a single axle trailer with no brakes but that is not a problem for me my current inboard has a single trailer with no brakes.  That is why I tow it with a Suburban.  So far it looks like if I purchase it I will need a 5 blade prop (it has a 3 blade) and add hydraulic steering. 

I agree that this is looking like a done deal, my wife and I are going to talk about it tonight and make a decision.
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Originally posted by I12 Foot I12 Foot wrote:

I agree that this is looking like a done deal, my wife and I are going to talk about it tonight and make a decision.
 
Ok - let's not get irrational here.  This appears to be more of a "seek forgiveness" type of scenario than a "get permission" one.
 
Phone buddy - make deal on boat.  Tell wife that you can't back out of deal with said buddy without looking bad- you just got caught up in the moment.  Direct blame to a bunch of internet buffoons on barefooting forum who called you out and made you buy the boat.  Spend a couple of days in doghouse - then good to go!


Edited by sledhead - July 23 2008 at 10:11pm
We never said it was easy - just that it looked cool.
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Sounds good but wife is now reading posts over shoulder, she is also my best driver so I need to keep her happy.
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the good steering is a must thenSmile
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heres joe v and mark b's outboard , with jim's TX up close.
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Originally posted by I12 Foot I12 Foot wrote:

Sounds good but wife is now reading posts over shoulder, she is also my best driver so I need to keep her happy.
 
Maybe make her drive the outboard first to she how she likes it... Don't get me wrong, I would chose an outboard Sanger any day over a Tigé, but I just don't want you to make a decision that you might regret.
 
I just spent the day footing with some buddies using a Flightcraft. great boat, great wake, but just does not handle like an in-board... even with power steering.
 
If you want to be happy, it's a no brainer get the Sanger. If you want your wife to be happy and not have her rub it in your face that she prefered your old boat... get her to drive it first.


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Good advice Dan, but she has driven a lot of different boats growing up so she knows it will not be the same.  She understands that I am dead in the water competitively until we get a true barefoot boat and she does not want to spend what it is going to take to get an inboard barefoot boat.
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I have a boat just like the one you show in the picture.  The graphics layout is the same but mine is black, grey and red.  Mine is a 1992, I will try to post a picture.  You will love the wake of this boat. 
 
This would still be the skiers favorite boat for wakes if Sanger had kept making them.  The only reason the DXII is used now is because Sanger does not make the OB anymore.  With the new rules it is possible that these boats could be used in tournaments again.  The only downfall of the OB wake compared to the DXII is that the prop wash is rougher.  I also have a DXII and I strongly prefer the OB for back wake crosses.  For forward crosses they are about even because of the turbulence of the OB.  If you have slalom skiers in your family they will love this boat.  My wife is just getting good on one ski and she strongly prefers the OB.  The IB wakes only get small at high speed but the OB Sanger has a tiny wake at all speeds.  Another advantage is the fact that the pylon on the OB is much taller than any of the IB's.  When you put the skylon on top it sits much higher than on a DXII.  The OB is not as comfortable to sit in as an IB due to the low sides but you get a lot more heads turning out on the water.  I have had people next to me in traffic offer to buy my OB without even knowing the price.  Also the OB is way more fun to drive when you are not skiing.  Someone said the inboards handle better, I totally disagree.  The Sanger OB is the hardest cornering boat I have ever driven.  They corner like they are on rails and will throw you out if you are not holding on.  You definately want your wife to drive this boat with you on the boom before you buy it.  My wife told me last weekend that she will never drive it again, they are much harder to steer than a inboard but way easier to dock at slow speeds.  The hydraulic steering is a must.  You really have to get used to applying the throttle and keeping the boat straight at the same time.  Most of the OB throttles will not stay put if you let go of them and since it is a 2-stroke it is very snappy.  One of the main downfalls of the OB is that it sucks for cold weather skiing because of the low windshield but you live in Florida so who cares.  Mine actually came with a 20 pitch 3-blade that throws a wake very comparable to the hi-five.  The boat in the pictures looks like it is brand new so I don't see how you can go wrong as long as you are getting this for around 8k.  The hydraulic steering will cost around 1300 installed unless you find a used system and install it yourself.  One thing to be careful of is rot in the back of these older OB's.  Poke a screwdriver into the bulkheads and stringers in the back of the boat to make sure they are still hard.  Mine has some rot in it so I have learned the hard way.  I hope all this is helpful in making your decision. 
 
            
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Papaski said it all.. I have had OB's that turned like they were getting flushed down the toilet and I have had IB's that were total dogs.. Depends on the set up... If you get an OB that has a bracket or the hull stops short of the transom the motor has SO much leverage on the boat that it will scare the women and kids...  

 
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Well momma is going to let me get it so it is a done deal.  The owner and I talked for about an hour last night and we agreed on the sale terms as long as my wife approved.  Well she approved this afternoon so I am going to be the proud owner of an OB Sanger. 
 
If she does not like driving with me on the boom then I will just always ski long line when she is with me. 
 
For boom training I can always use my buddies Malibu Response with the Hammerhead engine.
 
Now does anyone want a one owner closed bow Tige with 650 hours.  It runs great but will only make 42 mph and the table will almost take you down on every crossing.
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Congradulations! I am sure you will not regret it. Is it to personal to ask you how much you paid finally? Was it in the 5-10K range like you tought?
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I also remember hearing somewhere that to get the most out of your wake, you must have a 19" High five prop and a Skeg Guard.
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We agreed on $8000, based on the condition I felt is was fair and I also considered the fact that really the only way for me to get one would be to buy it on the west coast and ship it across the country and that would cost me around $2000+.
 
I will need to get a 19" High Five prop; the guy I am buying it from said that he wanted to get one but he was not barefooting much anymore so it was hard for him to justify the money.  Also, I will be upgrading the steering at some point in the near future.
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Congrats.. A HELL of a deal... I look forward to my next trip to FL to see this machine in action... Are you going to allow it to be used in tournaments???

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heres a link to bfc's boat test on the Sanger OB aka Barefoot Sanger
(the inboard is aka the Barefooter)
lots of interesting info here
 
 
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Thanks Foot and I might let it be used depending on the tournament.  Holtsy and I have been skiing together and I have been helping him with his tournaments so maybe at his invitational and at the Southern regionals.
 
Also, I have been kicking around the idea of running my own tournament so maybe next year we will have the I12 Foot invitational and use a Sanger OB.
 
Bftskir, I have read that review and it is one of the reasons I really wanted this boat. 
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my buddies love theirs so much (its paid for) they do not even foot anymore and they won't sell it.
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Ok here is the update.  I picked up the boat on Friday evening and it was thundering and lighnting so I had to wait until this afternoon to take it out for a drive.  I know this is the first time I have ever purchased a boat without a water test but I knew the selller so I felt comfortable with everything being fine. 
 
Boat runs great and drives great.  My wife is happy with the way it drives and steers.  It does not have hydraulic steering but it handles as well as our inboard.  I am not sure we will need to spend the money on upgrading the steering right now.  It has a 3 blade 19" pitch prop and it was running 50 MPH with the motor trimmed all the way down.  The wake is flat and the table is the smoothest table I have ever seen on a ski boat.  If a High Five prop improves it then it must not be by much.  I am looking for a used prop now but I may have to wait a month or so before speading the money on one.  All is all this is the best barefoot boat I have ever seen and I cannot understand anyone every wanting to sell one.  My advice is if you find a clean one for sale buy it.
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I still have it, does anyone know where I can find a wakeboarder with some cash?  It is going up for sale as soon as I get it cleaned up and I remove a few items to install in the new boat.

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we didn't say the stock steering sucked but just remember that the hydraulic steering is one finger steering and you can let go of the wheel and the wheel stays right where you have it...it makes the boat drive like a dream sooooo easy.
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Ok, well maybe I will add it but the way it drives now it will come after a couple of other upgrades, like the High Five prop and the bimini top.
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I bought a 1996 and a 1997 Barefoot Sanger OB boats brand spanking new from Pellaton. The 1996 had cable steering and then I got smart and ordered hydraulic steering on the 1997. I thought there was a signfiicant difference in ease of steering when throwing a tight corner at the end of the lake between the hydraulic and cable steering. Both had the ABC approved 19-pitch stainless-steel High Five and the wake was sweeter than molasses. Dumbest thing I ever did in my life was sell the 1997.
 
I did not want power steering in the boat as that was back when dudes were burning out power steering pumps left and right...until someone got really smart and declared that if you run the power steering off a separate battery, you wouldn't go through pumps like dirty underwear.
 
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Congrats on the new boat!  You are gonna love that boat!
 
One thing to be very careful of:  Watch that tachometer!!!  Running a 19 pitch, your RPM should be nearly at redline when trimmed all the way under (5800 RPM).  DO NOT trim up without backing out of the throttle.  The rev limiter on most of those motors is at 6800 RPM, and you do not want to take it that high.  Max recommended RPM is 5800-6000.  Check the owner's or shop manual.  For skiing or footing, keep the trim all the way down for the best wake.  The only time I ever trim up is for the occasional wakeboarder or kneeboarder I pull to help make the wake a little larger.
 
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Took the boat out last night, the afternoon rain held off at least where we were skiing.  I finally got to foot behind the boat.  The table is very nice and the wakes are low and defined.  I also drove it for my 220lb skiing buddy and it would easily pull him in the mid 40's and it could have gone faster.  The current prop is a 19 pitch 3 blade aluminum, I have been looking for  a used 5 blade 19 pitch.
 
The only complaint is that when pulling off of the skylon there is a a substanstial amount of bow rise coming out of the hole and then three bounces before the boat levels off.  Does anyone know if the 5 blade helps reduce this problem.  Thanks for the info and I am posting some pictures of the boat under the boat pics thread.


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I don't recall ever feeling bow rise on my '96 or '97 Sanger outboards while skiing the Fly High and using a five-blade 19 pitch stainless steel prop. I do remember skiing the Ski Pro backwards back in those days and in comparison, felt lots of bow rise and slap behind that boat so I definitely know what that sensation feels like.
 
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A Flightcraft has the gas tank under the bow, but the Sanger has the two tanks running along the side of the boat.  The OB Sanger seems to have more bow rise out of the hole as a result of less weight up front.  This can be countered by some subtle throttle control.  If you back off on the throttle just a touch and at the right time as the boat is excelerating you can limit the bow rise.
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Thanks for the info, I thought that we could reduce it with throttle control and that will come as we get more used to driving the boat.   I also thought that I might put a little weight in the nose to see that would help it some as well.
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two things you might consider...one,  remove the dash mirror, it opens a spot for someone to sit and video, and two, install a 10-12 gallon aux fuel tank in the bow. both of these will reduce the bow rise from pulling big footers...also have your skiers do very rigid deepwaters so they plane quicker and smoother, i can drag like a sack of potatoes or get rigid and plane quicker...some minor adjustments and you will be lovin it. we had to put the aux tank in since we would go out all day and and always brought 3 extra 5 gallon jugs of gas...the tank freed up the room in the boat and stopped/greatly reduced bowrise. i am not sure if the 5 blade will help but that is the prop we had and it does make for a nicer wake. 
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That is one fast motor if you are getting 50mph trimmed down with an aluminum prop.  You will lose some top end because of the 5 blade but you will gain some by going to stainless steel, less power loss due to flex.  Biggest advantage of the 5-blade is that it grips the water better so you get on plane faster, which will slightly reduce the bow rise and hopping, and it will corner harder without lossing grip.  You didn't say if you had anyone in the observers seat but that will help quite a bit with the hopping.  One reason the OB hops is because the pylon is almost a foot taller and so is the fly-hi when you put it on compared to an IB.  I'm not sure it is even within regulation, but that won't matter much longer.  You can see it in the picture I posted but they have disappeared.  Can someone post the directions for properly attaching pictures please.   
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This is all great information.  I will be removing the mirror from the dash mainly because it is useless where it is located all you get is a great view of the motor.  I am getting a windshield bracket for it.  The flyhigh is at normal height, I removed the bolt that was stopping it from dropping all the way down on the pylon.  It now rests on the top of the boom bracket and it is at normal height.  We did not have a spotter in the boat so it was very light weight.  I am not at all disappointed with it and if a little bow rise is all I have to deal with then it will be fine.
 
Bftskier I seem to recall that on your budget build up you found some stainless cup holders for your boat.  Where did you find them I was thinking about replacing the plastic ones on mine but I have not been able to locate any.
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Let me know where you get the windshield braket from and how much, I assume it will be CIPA.

Does anyone remember the tournament setup for an OB Sanger.  Where are the judges seated, etc?  I would be willing to use mine for tournaments but it does not have a rear speedo or jump seats.  I would think that the judge in the middle would see nothing but a big black Mercury just like the dash mounted mirror.  This may be starting a new topic but I don't understand why the judges are in the boat.  All you need is two small people taking video in case one fails and a gps receiver to monitor speed.  I have a GPS that I use for my dogs while bird hunting and it tells me how fast they are going and where they are on the base unit.  We are trying to squeeze every last bit of speed and the best wakes we can out of these boats and then load them up for tournaments.  I know that you should train under tournament conditions but how many people can take that many with every time they train.  I have heard people say that they put weight in the back to mimic the tournament weight but it seems like it would be more efficient to take the weight out at the tournament instead of putting it in all the boats during training.  Personally I am not good enough at wakes to care but I hear so many frustrated skiers that can't replicate their scores during training at tournaments.  In fact one of my best friends, who would probably be open in wakes and tricks pretty much quit barefooting because of this.  Just wondering out loud.       
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papski, check out www.skidim.com they have the windshield brackets for CIPA mirrors.
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One person can easily be removed during a  tournewment.. The video operator can be replaced by a simple bracket bolted to the pylon.. We NEVER have a vid operator in Queensland.. We made up brackets of 4 inch aluminum angle held on with a u-bolt made of 1/4 inch threaded rod running through a piece of fuel hose adna couple of wing nuts.. Drill 3 holes.. Put some duct tape around the pylon to give it grip and a little more protection ... plug the camera into an inverter and you can run all day without any battery issues and one less person in the boat..
 
You can just let it run or do like we do and turn it on and off... It goes on at the 10 second call and goes off when the boat comes off speed.. It gets forgotten a little at first but if you have a driver who calls "10 seconds, Video on" the judge sitting next to the driver gets into the habit pretty quickly...
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By the way.. It is a sign of a TRUE open skier when they can replicate their training scores in tournament.. There is a lot more working against the skier at a tournwent than the weight in the boat... Pressure, competition, unfamiliar surroundings, one chance, etc... I see it all the time... I train skiers who post open scores EVERYDAY but cant do it in tournament... They get 10 tries in training.. in a relaxed environment...
 
They way we overcome this is to train like it is a tournment and tournment like it is training... for the first run it is HURRY HURRY, 10 second call.. One up, one back of tricks...One up, one back of slalom and it's the next skiers turn... That set is their "score for the day" No matter how many times they beat that score that day it doesnt count.. Thats their score... They have to wait for the next training session to beat that score... Adds a dimension of pressure and finality to training...
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Paul,
Are you certain a windshield mount will work?  The angle of the windshield is not straight like a DXII.  I have a winshield mounted mirror (spare from a previous boat) and didn't think it worked well on my outboard.  Also, on the outboard, you look OVER the windshield, not through it like most ski boats.  A mirror above the windshield creates a huge blind spot.  I use my wing mirror more than the dash mounted.
 
Just something to consider.


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